Angie asked what skills it takes to "succeed" in America. In reply, generally having more than a sixth grade education. For "success", I define a pretty low standard: being able to support one's self and one's family. If the immigrants which were the focus of this discussion were "succeeding" in the US, then we wouldn't have an argument--they wouldn't be receiving medical services at taxpayer expense, and the schools their kids go to wouldn't have problems paying for programs--the taxes immigrants paid would more than cover them. But poorly paid jobs usually don't come with medical benefits, and taxes, even if they are paid, don't begin to cover the costs of educating even one child, particularly if that child needs bilingual instruction. As for college-educated Americans doing the jobs illegal aliens do--if that is the case, then the illegal aliens definitely shouldn't be here. Remember, the gist of the arguments for illegal immigration is that these people do the jobs Americans won't do. Not that I really believe that either. In any event, it's one thing to have to provide medical care and education for citizens; it's quite another to knowingly import people who can't support themselves or their families.
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