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[Congressional Record: October 3, 2001 (House)]
[Page H6248-H6252]
From the Congressional Record Online via GPO Access []

                      IMMIGRATION AND OPEN BORDERS

  The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. Rogers of Michigan). Under the Speaker's 
announced policy of January 3, 2001, the gentleman from Colorado (Mr. 
Tancredo) is recognized for 60 minutes.
  Mr. TANCREDO. Mr. Speaker, it is once again my opportunity to address 
this body about an issue of great concern to me. It is an issue, of 
course, that I have been dealing with for quite some time. It is an 
issue that has taken on much more significance after the events of 
September 11; but it is an issue, nonetheless, that held and should 
have held our attention before that time. I am talking about the issue 
of immigration and the fact that this Nation for now at least for 
decades has embarked upon and embraced a concept that we have referred 
to often as ``open borders.''
  Amazing as that is to many of our countrymen, there is still a 
philosophy, it is still a general sort of pattern of discussion in this 
body and around the country, think tanks, entities like The Wall Street 
Journal and others, to continually press this concept of ``open 
borders,'' even in light of all that has happened to us since September 
11. It is a dangerous concept. It was dangerous before September 11, 
and it is dangerous today.
  My colleague, the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Pallone), addresses 
the issue of workers that have been laid off, workers that have been 
denied jobs; and now, as a result of these horrible events of September 
11 have lost their jobs. But let me point out that before September 11, 
even before the September 11 terrorist attacks, U.S. job cuts announced 
in 2001 exceeded the 1 million mark.
  In this article, they give us a partial list. It goes on for four 
pages of the companies that had laid off employees, again, even before 
the attacks on our country on September 11. Lucent Technologies headed 
the list on this one with 40,000. Since then, I understand, they have 
announced that another 20,000 people would be laid off. Nortel 
Networks, 30,000; Motorola, 28,000; Selectron, 20,850; and it goes on 
to over 1 million Americans having been laid off before September 11.
  Now, of course, everyone knows what has happened in America and 
especially to the airline industry since September 11. Hundreds of 
thousands of Americans more have been laid off. It is not just of 
course the men and women who have been laid off in the airline industry 
directly, it is the thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands that we may 
be approaching here very soon that have been laid off as a result of 
the fact that the airline industry is down.
  I do not know at this point in time, as of today, as of this moment, 
what our unemployment rate is; but I will hazard a guess that when it 
is announced by the Labor Department, the most recent figures will show 
a significant jump. And I do not think that is much of a task to 
predict something like that.

                              {time}  1930

  I say to my colleagues in this body and I say to the administration, 
when we are presented with the administration's plans for an economic 
stimulus package, when presented with the plans to deal with the 
unemployed, I know I have heard already of plans in the works to extend 
unemployment compensation to all of these people who have been laid 
off, and I have heard various other kinds of comments. The gentleman 
from New Jersey (Mr. Pallone) talked about doing something with health 
insurance. All of that is admirable, but why will we not deal with one 
very basic problem, and that is we have had for almost 4 decades 
essentially porous borders, borders that really do not exist.
  We have faced a flood of immigration that has never before in this 
Nation's history been paralleled. Nothing we have seen in the Nation's 
history, not even in the, quote, heyday of immigration in the early 
part of the 20th century, not even then did we see the kind of numbers 
that we have seen in the last 3 or 4 decades.
  Right now we admit legally into this country about 1 million people a 
year, and we add to that another quarter of a million that come in 
under refugee status. But, of course, that is just the legal 
immigration, which is four times higher on an annual basis than it ever 
was during the heyday of immigration into this Nation in the early 20th 
century, the early 1900s. Four times greater. We are looking at four 
times the number of people coming into the country legally, and who 
knows how many are coming across our borders illegally; but I would 
suggest that it is at least that many every single year.
  The net gain in population of this Nation as a result of illegal 
immigration is at least a million. I have seen estimates far higher, of 
3 million, 4 million. The INS does not really know and does not really 
care. The INS is a coconspirator in this immigration flood we have had. 
The INS considers itself not to be an agency that protects the border, 
that keeps people out who are not supposed to come here, that finds 
people who are here illegally and deports them, that finds people who 
are here even legally and have violated the law under their visa status 
and deports them. The INS does not consider itself to be an agency 
designed to do that job I have just described.
  Mr. Speaker, the INS considers itself to be, and I quote from an INS 
official I was debating on the radio in Denver a couple of months ago, 
and during the question period by the moderator who said to her why 
does the INS not essentially round up people. She said because that is 
not our job. She said, Our job is to find ways to legalize these 
people. Astounding as that might sound to the majority of Americans who 
are listening, to the people in the INS, that is the culture.
  Mr. Speaker, to suggest to them that their responsibility, an equal 
responsibility at least, is to keep people out of the United States who 
have not been granted a visa, who are not legally coming here under any 
sort of immigration status, to suggest to them that that is their role 
and that they should perhaps do something about the number of people 
who have come in illegally, we should find them, send them back to 
their country of origin, we should find an employer who employed

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them knowing that they are here illegally. Instead of thinking that is 
their job, they say their job is to essentially help these people find 
a way into the United States, and once they get here, find a way to 
make them legal.
  This is incredible, Mr. Speaker. It is almost beyond imagination that 
this is the perception and this is the culture inside the INS.
  Almost every single day I am confronted by another horror story that 
makes this one pale in comparison in terms of the corruption inside the 
INS, in terms of the culture that exists inside that agency, and of 
course with the acquiescence of the Congress. I do not for a moment 
suggest that we have not played a role in this corruption.
  We have essentially allowed the INS to do what they do, to abandon 
their responsibility, to thwart the law. We have allowed them to do so 
because in this body there has been, I am not so sure it is as 
prevalent as before September 11, there is a philosophy of open 
borders. There are a lot of reasons why we have found ourselves in this 
particular situation.
  Some of those reasons are quite political in nature. It is very 
possible that if we encourage massive immigration from certain areas of 
the world these people will eventually become citizens of the United 
States. Certainly their offspring who are conceived and born here in 
this country, I guess I should just say born in this country, will 
become citizens of the United States via the way we grant citizenship 
here, and therefore able to vote.
  There is a perception if we can get millions and millions of these 
people here, keep them here long enough to establish families, they 
will all become part of one particular party. That is, frankly, why we 
saw in the last administration a push, if Members remember correctly, 
to get as many people legalized and citizens awarded so they could vote 
in the election for the past President.

  Well, that is one reason why we have such massive fraud in this whole 
area of immigration. Another reason is because again it is the culture 
inside of the INS, and it is abetted by another aspect of our society 
and that is, of course, businesses, large businesses and small, that 
employ immigrant workers, some legally here, some illegally here.
  Before I go into the numbers that I came across today as a result of 
having a very interesting and disturbing meeting with two people, 
American citizens both who have been laid off of their jobs and 
replaced by foreign workers, H-1B visa recipients, specifically, before 
I get into that story I want to relate to this body an actual 
conversation I had last night with someone who chooses to keep his name 
secret but is involved in the judicial process with regard to 
  This person has had a lengthy period of time working in his 
particular capacity dealing with immigration. He is part of our legal 
system. He called me to tell me of his great and incomprehensible 
frustration, the frustration that he feels every single day, 
recognizing the fact that although our judicial system is set up to 
address the issue of people who are here illegally or people who 
violate their status while they are here, and orders are entered to 
send them back, that it does not happen. These people are not sent 
  Now, could it possibly be true, Mr. Speaker, what this gentleman told 
me? He said that there are presently almost a quarter of a million 
people in the United States who have gone through the system. There has 
been an adjudication, there has been a determination by a court of law 
that these people have violated their status. They have violated the 
law of the land. Either they have overstayed their status under the 
visa, or they were here doing something that the visa did not allow, or 
in fact they committed crimes against this country, crimes that had 
nothing to do with immigration, regular old run-of-the-mill crimes like 
felonies, like robberies, like murder, like muggings, and that when 
they go into immigration court, because they are here as an immigrant, 
because they are here under a visa status, they do not face the same 
system of justice that an American citizen would face. Mr. Speaker, 
could this be true?
  Mr. Speaker, let me say that the person who told me this should know. 
I am going to establish that as a fact tonight. I am at least going to 
make that challenge. I am going to challenge anyone who disagrees with 
what I have just said, that there are almost a quarter of a million 
people here in the United States who have been found guilty of a crime.
  They are here as guests of the United States under a visa process, a 
quarter of a million who are wandering around who have never been 
returned to their country of origin; and the reason is because that 
duty, that job, that responsibility, is one that we turn over not to 
the Department of Justice, in a way it is the Department of Justice 
because its a subset of it, but it is not to the police department, it 
is not to the regular court system.
  They do not come before a Federal, district, or county court. They 
come before an immigration court. The immigration court can and almost 
always does when they violate the law say you are going to be deported. 
We repeal the immigrant's status here. The immigrant's legal status, we 
withdraw it.
  Guess what happens, Mr. Speaker? Again I challenge any of my 
colleagues here on this floor or in this body to prove me wrong. A 
quarter of a million of these people have simply been ignored by the 
INS. They have chosen to simply ignore the situation.
  In fact, I am told that many times attorneys for the INS who are 
supposed to be on our side in these proceedings, they are supposed to 
come in and give the Government's position, they end up becoming a 
defense attorney for the plaintiff. Either that, or I am told they are 
so incompetent, so incapable of actually mounting a prosecution that 
the whole thing is a farce.
  Now I do not think that most people in America understand or know 
this. I do not think that most of my colleagues in this body know what 
I am saying tonight. But some do. Some know that it is absolutely true 
because I was talking to a colleague tonight earlier and I was relating 
this story. I was saying is this possible. This colleague happens to be 
a member of the Committee on the Judiciary, and more specifically a 
member of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims.
  As is often the case when I get into a discussion like this, I find 
that I am always being one-upped. When I start telling somebody a story 
like this, they say, well, listen to this.
  This gentleman told me about a conversation he had had with a 
magistrate in the immigration court because I had indicated if what I 
said was true and if people could come to the United States, commit 
crimes and essentially walk away without any kind of punishment because 
they are in this never-never land of immigration court, it is far 
better to commit a crime in the United States as an illegal alien than 
as a citizen of the country.

                              {time}  1945

  As a citizen, you will face a judicial process that has some 
integrity, at least we can hope, and if you violate the law and if you 
are found guilty and if the judge chooses and a jury agrees, you can go 
to jail.
  In an immigration court, that is not at all the case. In an 
immigration court, you are oftentimes told, well, you will be deported 
for this act. But, of course, unless the INS actually takes some part 
of this, comes in afterwards and says, okay, this person is to be 
deported, we will see that he or she is deported and we will watch to 
make sure they do not come back. Unless that happens, you are free to 
wander the land and do what you want to do. And a quarter of a million 
people today in this country are in that status, having been 
adjudicated, having been found guilty of violating their status and are 
simply walking around the country, free to do what they want to do, 
because the INS chooses not to deal with it.
  I was in the process of telling you about a conversation I had with 
another Member who said, that is nothing. Listen to this. I heard from 
a magistrate that something had been happening in his court. When 
people recognize what I have just described, this scam, and the charade 
that we call immigration courts, it does not take too long for people 
to figure out how to work the system. He said that a magistrate told 
him that before him had come somebody who had been born in the United 
States, his parents had been born in the United States, his 
grandparents had been born in the United

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States. This fellow was a citizen of the United States. He had robbed 
an old lady, beaten her up, stolen her purse. He was arrested. 
Evidently not his first offense, by the way.
  When he was arrested, he had no identification on him. He said to the 
arresting officer when asked why he had no identification, he said, 
``Because I am here illegally. I am not a citizen of this country.'' 
They, of course, the arresting officers, took him to a Federal court, 
to immigration court, at which point the magistrate said, I will give 
you a choice of either serving time here or returning to your country 
of origin, which he said was Mexico. Naturally the defendant said, 
``All right, Judge, I'll go back home. I'll take your severe 
punishment. I'll go back home.''
  They put him on a bus, which is, by the way, more than happens most 
of the time. At least putting this guy on the bus was a step up, 
because most of the time they turn around and walk away, without any 
action. But they put him on the bus, they took him to the border and 
they said, okay, good-bye. His slate was at that point wiped clean. He 
then went to a phone, called his mother in the United States and said, 
Mom, bring me down my ID. She dutifully got in the car, drove across 
the border, brought him his ID. He then, of course, came across the 
border as the American citizen he was, showed them the material, he 
came in now under a different name, his own name but as an American 
citizen. No problem. The slate has been wiped clean. And another 
travesty occurs.
  I am told by the gentleman today that this judge who told him the 
story said this has happened many times in his courtroom, because, of 
course, people have found a way to scam the system. It really does not 
take, quote, the proverbial rocket scientist to figure this out. If it 
is better to be an illegal alien in this country when you commit a 
crime, then why not pretend you are an illegal alien to escape justice? 
Or why not just be an illegal alien and commit the crime? You will not 
do the time. The gentleman that called me last night went on at great 
length about the corrupt nature of the system, the fact that time and 
time again, even when bond is posted by these people.
  By the way, he talked about the fact that drug dealers, I mean big-
time drug dealers who bring these people in to transport drugs for 
them, when they get arrested, the drug dealer puts up the bond, it is 
just a cost of doing business. The individual bonded out never shows up 
again for the hearing and is never ever looked for by the INS. I say 
never. In very few cases. The INS will always tell you, well, it is a 
matter of resources, we have returned this many, but the reality is 
this, Mr. Speaker, they do not care for the most part.
  There are, of course, many people, and I have had them in my office, 
I have had INS agents come into my office and say, ``Look, I'm afraid 
of telling this story publicly, but, Mr. Tancredo, you are absolutely 
right in talking about this and describing the nature of this system. 
It is corrupt.'' There are many, many people who serve in the capacity 
of enforcement agents who are trying to do their best on the borders, 
but what they are doing, Mr. Speaker, is trying to hold back the ocean 
with a sieve. We could not get much attention paid to these kinds of 
problems up to this point in time. It has been very, very difficult to 
get anybody to care.
  I have talked about it at length on many occasions at this microphone 
and in the conference and at every opportunity I have had. Up to this 
point in time, certainly prior to September 11, the response I got was 
almost uniformly one of, ``Well, we really can't get into that issue, 
we really can't deal with immigration reform because, you know, 
Congressman, if we do, we're going to be called racists. If we try to 
stop the flood of immigrants into this country, you've got a whole huge 
constituency here in the United States that would turn against us.''

  I say, who here legally supports illegal immigration? And if they do, 
I do not even want their vote. For the most part, Mr. Speaker, I 
believe that the vast majority of people in this country, of citizens 
of this country who came here through the regular process, who are 
legal citizens of the United States, be they Hispanic or Asian or 
whatever, they agree with us, that we must do something to stop the 
flood of illegal immigration into this country. But we have this fear, 
a fear which has paralyzed this Congress, and we are not over it yet, 
even after the September 11 events.
  Before I get to that, I want to stay focused on this issue of H1B 
visas, people coming into this country under a visa program called H1B 
and the incredible fraud that exists there.
  I told you that I met earlier today in my office with two people, two 
people who had been employed, they are part of the statistics in this 
article. They are just two of the four pages of numbers I have here of 
people who have been laid off prior to September 11 because of the 
downturn in the economy. But they were not just laid off because of the 
downturn in the economy. They were laid off because they were replaced 
by cheaper labor to do their very same job. They were replaced by 
people who came here legally under the H1B visa program.
  Now, for those people who do not know what we are talking about, 
Members of the House, perhaps, that do not know what an H1B visa 
program is, I will explain it simply, it is a visa that allows you to 
come and work in the United States. Usually it is a white collar job 
under an H1B. There are various kinds of visas that allow you to come 
in and take other kinds of jobs, more menial in nature, less skilled 
jobs, but this one, in particular, I am going to talk about for a few 
moments is called the H1B visa program.
  Recently, the Congress of the United States raised it. In 1998, the 
Congress of the United States raised the level, the number of H1B visas 
that we could grant, from 65,000 a year to 115,000 every single year. 
At that time, Mr. Speaker, industry representatives told Congress that 
there were not enough Americans with the necessary skills to fill the 
jobs that were available. Yet government studies, most notably the 
Department of Labor, rejected the industry's claims of a worker 
shortage. After months of negotiation, Congress adopted a temporary 
increase until 2002 when the annual level would supposedly return to 
65,000. The 1998 H1B law also provided some protections against wage 
depression and job loss for American workers. However, they have not 
taken effect since the government has yet to issue the regulations to 
implement the safeguards.
  Today, despite continuing evidence that there is no high tech labor 
shortage and with the exception of possible spot shortages, the demand 
for foreign workers by American technology companies has prompted this 
body, this Congress, to propose raising substantially annual H1B 
limits. We were pressured to do so, Mr. Speaker, by businesses and 
industries which, in turn, came in just recently with these figures.
  They told us that they did not have enough American workers to fill 
the jobs, and that is why we had to go ahead and increase the visas in 
H1B. Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether they actually lied, but I will 
say this, that they misrepresented the situation dramatically. Because 
over and over and over again, we have seen cases where people were laid 
off of their job and were being paid X number of dollars and were 
replaced by H1B visa recipients paid less money. It was not a matter of 
not being able to fill the job, Mr. Speaker. It was an unwillingness to 
pay the price. And so they, of course, recognizing how the market works 
in these situations, supply and demand works, they increased the supply 
and, therefore, the wage rates went down precipitously.

  Now, this has become this massive, massive fraud that is lining the 
pockets of many millions of people around the world, but not the 
workers in the United States. One of the perpetrators of this fraud, an 
organization that I believe could be charged with aiding and abetting 
the fraud, is the American Immigration Lawyers Association. It has 
perfected the art of exploiting loopholes and technicalities in the 
  They work with what are called body shops that are set up all over 
the world, India and Pakistan especially, Malaysia. Body shops by the 
way, Mr. Speaker, that phrase does not relate to any sort of auto work 
or any other sort of, I guess, any other kind of business. A body shop 
in this case refers to these organizations like employment agencies. 
They are set up all over. They

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 bring people in. They give them some sort of fraudulent package of 
resumes. They construct fraudulent resumes for the people they bring in 
in India and Pakistan, saying that they have had years of experience in 
a particular field, which is required under the H1B visa program, to 
have at least 2 years' experience in the field. So they construct a 
fraudulent resume. They put these people through a brief, maybe 6-week 
course sometimes, and award them diplomas and degrees and whatever, and 
then put them into the H1B program and they charge these people 
exorbitant fees. There are interesting articles again here to prove 

                              {time}  2000

  They charge these people exorbitant fees and then promise them jobs 
in the United States. Some of them get here, of course, are put into 
the pipeline, sometimes laid off immediately and end up in jobs that 
have nothing to do with the kind of work they were supposed to be here, 
that their visa had cleared them for. There are many articles about 
that, people coming into the United States to be computer technicians, 
ending up, of course, as menial laborers in many cases. But many, many 
thousands, in fact hundreds of thousands of other cases of people 
coming into the United States under H-1B and taking jobs that Americans 
had, because they will work for less. There is massive, incredible 
fraud in this entire program.
  The fraud in this program, as I say, is rampant. It is widely 
understood within that community, within the H-1B community, even 
within the INS itself, that once you get here by an H-1B visa, you will 
never have to leave. It is sort of the colloquialism in the immigrant 
community deal with this whole issue of just getting here under H-1B, 
that you never have to leave. Even if you get laid off, even if you are 
not working in the kind of job you were originally assigned to, that 
does not matter, no one is coming after you. Again, it is because the 
American Immigration Lawyers Association has aided and abetted in this 
  Mr. Speaker, we have now accumulated literally millions of people 
here in the United States who should not be here because they have 
overstayed their visa or in some other way caused an infraction of the 
visa. They are not working in the field.
  Mr. Speaker, another part of this, of course, is people who come here 
under an education visa and are supposedly attending school here. I 
think we have heard about one or more of these particular kinds of 
individuals came here to learn how to fly. Some of them attended 
classes; some did not. When we look into that whole arrangement between 
the schools that were providing this kind of experience and education 
and the whole issue of visa fraud, I think we are going to be very 
interestingly surprised.
  But the fact is that there are 30 million visas that are allotted 
annually, 30 million people every year are told they can come into the 
United States for a certain period of time. These primarily are tourist 
visas. But then a huge number are in the categories I talked about, 
work-related or education-related visas.
  It is my understanding, and once again I am going to state it as a 
question. Could this be true? A question posed to me by the individual 
I talked to last night on the phone, who is actually part of the 
immigration judicial process, if such a thing actually exists? He told 
me, and could this be true, Mr. Speaker? He told me that of the 30 
million visas awarded annually, about 40 percent are violated annually; 
12 million people violate their visa status every year, according to 
this gentleman.
  I pose this as a question. I do not have information in front of me 
to substantiate it. But I will tell you once again that the individual 
that talked to me was an individual who should and in fact I believe 
with all my heart does know. It was not someone at the lower level of 
the immigration service or judicial process.
  Millions of people are here, I think, who have overstayed their 
visas. I just talked, remember, about the quarter of a million that 
have already been adjudicated; the 225,000, actually, not quite a 
quarter million, but that was 1997, so I am sure it is up to a quarter 
million now, people who have actually gone through the process, been 
found guilty and not sent back. I am not talking about the millions who 
are probably here who have never been brought to any sort of court, 
never found themselves in front of a judge because they overstayed 
their visa. They just simply stay, and they take jobs.

  My friends, especially my friends on the other side of the aisle, 
talk about the need to do something for the unemployed in the United 
States. Well, I can tell you what to do, Mr. Speaker. You can cut off 
illegal immigration. You can eliminate or reduce dramatically H-1B and 
all of the other visa types that come in here. You can put troops on 
the border and make sure that people do not come across this border 
illegally. You can overfly the border. You can use sensors and 
detectors to protect this Nation, not just from those people who are 
coming without malicious intent, who are coming simply to improve their 
lives, of which there are millions, and I certainly understand and 
empathize, but protect yourself also against the people who come here 
with evil, malicious, or malicious intent. And there are, 
unfortunately, far too many of them.
  Today in this body, Mr. Speaker, many Members are still reluctant to 
deal with the issue of immigration reform. Many Members have told me 
personally that they agree entirely with everything that I say about 
this issue, but, after all, dealing with it is another thing entirely. 
It is not politically correct, and it may be politically volatile.
  Well, let me tell you, Mr. Speaker, that although there are people in 
this body who do not get it, who do not understand the nature of this 
problem or the depth of it, who think they can get by; that we can all 
get by with ignoring this massive fraud that is perpetrated on this 
Nation; ignore the incredible problems that come as a result of massive 
immigration, both legal and illegal; ignore the fact that the crimes 
that were perpetrated on the 11th were perpetrated by people who came 
here on visas, who were not American citizens, some of whom, as far as 
we know right now, were not living up to their visa application 
guidelines, some, as I understand, who may have overstayed. Who cares? 
Overstayed your visa? Who cares?
  The fact is that all of these people, and the Members of this body, 
many of them feel that it is too controversial and we cannot deal with 
it. But let me tell you, Mr. Speaker, that the American public knows 
the truth of this issue. At least they know the problem with illegal 
  Some of what I have said tonight, certainly I was not aware of it 
even until just recently, from discussions as I say I have had with 
people who called or other Members of the House. I had no idea how 
deeply rooted the corruption in the process, in the whole INS structure 
and immigration system, really is.
  But most people know there is something wrong. Although my colleagues 
in this body may not feel the heat right now, I guarantee you that they 
will. And they should, because that is the only way change will occur.
  In a recent Zogby poll, actually September 27, Zogby International 
poll, it is a survey of likely voters that shows virtually all segments 
of American society overwhelmingly feel the country is not doing 
enough. By wide margins, it says, the public also feels that this lack 
of control in immigration makes it easier for terrorists to enter the 
country. And, of course, they are absolutely right.
  Moreover, Americans think that a dramatic increase in border control 
and greater efforts to enforce immigration laws would help reduce the 
chance of future attacks. They are absolutely right. It would not 
necessarily guarantee it, it is true. It does not guarantee the fact. 
If we were able to seal the border tomorrow, it would not guarantee the 
fact that we would not be subject to another attack, but it would 
lessen the chance.
  To suggest that people can get in even if we try to enforce our 
immigration laws and therefore we should not enforce immigration laws 
is like saying, you know, I know there are laws on the books against 
robbing banks, but people do it, so why do we bother putting the money 
in the vault? Why not put it on the counter? After all, they are going 
to rob us anyway. That is about as ludicrous as to suggest we should 
not try to deal with our borders

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and close the sieve, because right now people get through.
  When asked whether the government was doing enough to control the 
boarders and screen those allowed into the country, 76 percent said the 
country was not doing enough, and only 19 percent said the government 
was doing enough. Those 19 percent were probably people who are here 
illegally and just told the person calling them up on the phone that 
they were going to be voting.
  While identified conservatives were the most likely to think that not 
enough was being done, by 83 percent, get this, Mr. Speaker, 74 percent 
of the liberals and 75 percent of the moderates indicated that 
enforcement was insufficient. In addition, by a margin of more than two 
to one, blacks and whites and Hispanics all thought government efforts 
at border control and the vetting of immigrants were inadequate.

  So although this body may not think there is a problem or that 
dealing with it is politically volatile, Americans do not think there 
is a problem with dealing with it. They think there is a problem with 
not dealing with it. They believe and they know, and they are right, 
Mr. Speaker, that there is a huge problem that we confront as a Nation 
because of our unwillingness to deal with this concept of immigration 
  Again I stress the fact that it goes across political philosophies. 
It goes across racial lines. It does not matter if you are black, 
Hispanic, or Asian or white. They feel the same way about this issue, 
because they are Americans, just like anybody else; and they are 
worried, just like anybody else, about their own safety.
  And is that not our responsibility, Mr. Speaker? Are we not the ones 
charged with the responsibility in this body to develop, among other 
things, plans and proposals and programs to ensure domestic tranquility 
and provide for the common defense? Is that not our job? And are we not 
uniquely charged with the responsibility of determining immigration 
  No State can do it, Mr. Speaker. No matter how inundated that State 
may be, no matter how difficult it may be for them to deal with it, 
they cannot establish immigration policy. Only this Federal Government 
can; and, after it is once established, only the Federal Government can 
enforce it.
  I suggest, Mr. Speaker, that if we ignore this any longer and another 
event, God forbid, another event of a similar nature as those on 
September 11 occurs, and occurs as a result of our inability or 
unwillingness to protect ourselves from people who come here to do us 
evil, then we are culpable in that event.
  I, for one, Mr. Speaker, choose to do everything I can and speak as 
often as I can and as loudly as I can about the need to control our own 
  We talk about the defense of the Nation, the defense of the homeland. 
An agency has been created for that purpose. I suggest, Mr. Speaker, 
that the defense of the Nation begins with the defense of our borders. 
I reiterate and repeat, the defense of this Nation begins with the 
defense of our borders. It is not illogical, it is not immoral, it is 
not even politically unpopular, as many of my colleagues would think. 
It is the right thing to do. Americans know it.
  What is it going to take, Mr. Speaker, I wonder, for the rest of my 
colleagues to come to this conclusion?
  We have written a bill to deal with terrorism. It got marked up today 
in the Committee on the Judiciary. As I understand it, although I have 
not seen the specifics, I am told that every provision we had about 
immigration control got watered down.

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  That all attempts on our part to deal with the possibility of 
terrorism, terrorists coming into the Nation, identifying them, 
detaining them, deporting them, all of those proposals by the 
administration got watered down so that we could have a nonpartisan or 
a bipartisan bill come to the floor. I believe, Mr. Speaker, that I 
will not be allowed to offer an amendment to that bill. I believe that 
it will come to this floor with a rule that will prevent me or anyone 
else from offering some of the amendments to tighten up the borders. I 
am sickened by this possibility, but I think that that is where we are 
headed, because no one wants to rock these boats.
  Mr. Speaker, I am willing to do so because I cannot imagine doing 
anything else. It is my job, it is my responsibility to bring to the 
attention of my colleagues and the American people, to the extent that 
I am humanly capable of doing so, the dangerous situation we face as a 
result of our unwillingness to deal with the concept of immigration 
control. Tell me how we will face our children. Tell me how we will 
face the future, Mr. Speaker, if another event occurs as a result of 
our unwillingness to address the issue of immigration control because 
we fear the political ramifications thereof.
  I think, Mr. Speaker, that the only way we will ever change our 
policies is if the American people rise up in one accord and confront 
their elected representatives with this issue. Do not be placated by 
platitudes and do not be assuaged by those people who tell us that we 
are doing something because we may allow for 7 days of detention of 
potential terrorists, and that is the whole immigration reform package. 
Do not listen to it, I say to my colleagues. Demand more.
  What are the possibilities? I do not want to think of the 
possibilities of not acting. Think of the seriousness of our 
deliberations and of the potential consequences of inaction on this 
issue. They are more than I wish to deal with. I cannot imagine that we 
will shrink from this responsibility, but that is what appears to be in 
the wind, Mr. Speaker. All I can do is come here and beg Members to 
listen to these arguments and to act on behalf of the people of this 
country who look to us to keep them secure, to ensure domestic 
tranquility, and to provide for the common defense.